Julia Serano is clear that in order to speak about one form of marginalization, we need to speak about the non-marginalized in order to compare. What are some effective approaches to doing this?

In 2023, while describing this Markedness theory Serano also defined the differences between indirect and direct marginalization. She defines direct marginalization as the continued oppression of marked groups, and indirect marginalization as the reversing of markedness, in other words when a marked group begins using invalidations against the unmarked group. What are some consequences of this indirect marginalization and how can we avoid them?

What are some productive ways to talk about the difference between indirect and direct marginalization? What are some conversation starters that could lead us towards a decline in marking people at all?